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Why there is no mention of his Italic ancestry?

Barbar03 - The article now says he was Punic on one side and Arab on the other. But the Wikipedia article on his father Severus says that he had Italic and Punic ancestry. So if we're going to obsess about his ancestry we should mention the Italic bit too, right? I can't make the change because the article is not open for editing. --Bacon Man (talk) 13:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Logically, Yes. Furius (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Severus had Italic and Punic ancestry; the Roman ancestry came from his mother's side, while his Punic ancestry came from his father's side.

The article still ignores his Italic (ie Roman) ancestry.

Is anyone going to make this change? How do we attract the attention of the person who controls this page?

Brother Furius seems to agree with me, and no-one has disagreed. There seems to be a dog-in-the-manger attitude at play here. Bacon Man (talk) 11:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody controls any Wikipedia article per the policy on ownership. Barbar03 hasn't edited since late-2019, so they aren't likely to respond. In order to comply with verifiability a reliable source is needed that directly supports the proposed change. Shahid makes no mention of Italic ancestry, only of Phoenician (or Semitic) and Arab ancestry. Mr rnddude (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full name

I think his full name was 'Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus'. It is in a handbook from my professor 'Roman Law'

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What I think should be changed: undo the edit of 09:54, 2022 March 3‎ which changed the infobox picture.
Why it should be changed: the same edit was already done previously, with the exact same edit summary, and then reverted. He should have gone to the talk page to sort this out, specifically the section "Undo the picture change".

HonestManBad (talk) 00:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Can you explain here what's wrong with the infobox picture and what you wanted instead? Bacon Man (talk) 13:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Rather than continuing a slow edit war via edit requests, please establish a solid consensus for the image. There are over 200 editors watching this page, none of whom have reverted the image change in the past week. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there's an "edit war" going on, it was started by making a change which had already been reverted instead of going to the talk page where the issue had a dedicated section. And if you disagree, the onus is on you to say so, so spare me the lecture. I had already done what I could. HonestManBad (talk) 11:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reactivated; see section "Undo the picture change" for the discussion. HonestManBad (talk) 10:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will someone please cease this obstruction. Implement the change or present a counter-argument. HonestManBad (talk) 09:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Closing this again, doesn't appear there is consensus to revert back. I suggest you start an RFC to get a solid consensus one way or another if the issue is that important. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cool power move. You know, of course, that you are obstructing the issue, acting against all policy, and repeating talking points I've already refuted. Apparently the issue is "that important". With people like you running things, I do not care to get involved beyond this. HonestManBad (talk) 08:07, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong IPA transcription

It's not ^, it's not æ, it's ɑː[1].

It sounds like an open a.

The correct IPA, according to the source on the article and the one I used above, is (/ˌkɑːrəˈkɑːllə/) Koala Wiki (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2024

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Please add the following template:

98.228.137.44 (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answered at Talk:Elagabalus. Following a discussion, I can implement whatever consensus forms. Mr rnddude (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Press Challenged

In his Caracalla - A Military History (Pen and Sword Books, 2017) Finnish historian Ilkka Syvanne (whose biography should appear in the article's bibliography) argues persuasively that Caracalla was actually one of Rome's most efficient rulers, applying military tact and diplomacy to achieve realistic ends. A careful sifting through the primary sources yields biases (bad press which has generally condemned Caracalla), which Syvanne ably addresses. He implies, at last, that had Caracalla lived, he might very well have conquered Parthia which, at the time of his death, was experiencing internal dissension. The Antonine Constitution made almost everyone within the Empire a Roman citizen and thus stifled thoughts of internal dissension in the provinces. Changes to the military, including to tactics and equipment, are also attributable to Caracalla whose successors, Macrinus, Elagabalus and Severus Alexander, hadn't an iota of Caracalla's military wisdom. Gerry Max, student of Roman history 2600:6C44:1A3F:D86A:B403:4768:3F2E:D30A (talk) 21:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Parthia which, at the time of his death, was experiencing internal dissension" That is a bit of an understatement. Caracalla died in 217. A civil war of the Parthian Empire started in 213, between rival kings Vologases VI and Artabanus IV of Parthia. The Empire collapsed in 224, conquered by Ardashir I and replaced by the Sasanian Empire (224–651). Dimadick (talk) 09:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Embroiled in civil war' better states it. 2600:6C44:1A3F:D86A:9D7D:93C1:62E2:9C66 (talk) 13:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous grammatical syntax

Caracalla responded to this insult by slaughtering the deputation of leading citizens who had unsuspectingly assembled before the city to greet his arrival in December 215, before setting his troops against Alexandria for several days of looting and plunder.

I humbly ask someone with a love of the English language and the power to edit to fix this. The reader is to assume that the leading citizens assembled unsuspectingly, when I think the intent of the author is to say that the assembly of leading citizens "did not expect" Caracalla would slaughter them for the sins of satirizing Alexandrians.

A simple edit would read:

Caracalla responded to this insult by slaughtering the unsuspecting deputation of leading citizens assembled... 172.56.105.49 (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. Mr rnddude (talk) 05:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to request that we add a sentence or two mentioning the portrayal of Caracalla in the recently released ‘Gladiator II’ film; there is already a similar edit on the Emperor Geta page. Porpstheseus (talk) 08:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Remsense ‥ 论 08:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the section Death "Sin" points to Nanna (god), which leads to a disambiguation page that is confusing. It should point to Sin (mythology). 89.133.251.63 (talk) 10:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Under section Death "Carrhae" points to "Harran (city)", which does not exist. The Harran article exists and Carrhae already redirects to it. Simply link to "Carrhae".
Typo: Under section Death it reads "A Scythian bodyguard of Caracalla killed Martialis his lance." It should be "with his lance."

89.133.251.63 (talk) 10:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]